Date: April 9, 1973

Time: 3:31 pm – 4:39 pm

Location: Oval Office

The President met with Adm. James B. Stockdale and Gen. Brent G. Scowcroft. The White

House photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting.

Arrangements for photograph

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Vietnam War

-Prisoners of War [POWs]

-Return

-Attitude

-Pride

-Press coverage

-Stockdale’s experience

-Solitary confinement

-Capt. Jeremiah A. Denton, Jr. and Col. Robinson Risner’s experience

-Solitary confinement

-Types

-Organization of POW camps

-Isolation of POW leaders

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 3:31 pm.

Refreshments

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 4:39 pm.

Vietnam War

-Communist Party organization in North Vietnam

-Qualifications for membership

-Age

-Intellect

-Selflessness

Ability to influence others

-Attitude toward leadership

-Compared with US

-Communist leader class

-Politburo

-Imprisonment by France

-Effects on organization of POW camps

-Propaganda literature

-Experiences

-POW wives and families’ experience

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-Stockdale’s wife

-Leadership

-Press coverage

-Divorce rates

-President’s efforts

-Peace groups

-Stockdale’s wife

-Support for President

-Stockdale’s expectations for POW release

-Schedule of releases

-Effects on prisoners

-Morale

-Support for December 1972

-President’s decision

-Cambodia

-November 1969

-Peace demonstrators

-Cambodia operations

-Sanctuaries

-Sihanoukville

-May 8, 1972 decision

-Bombing and mining of Haiphong

-POWs awareness

-Peace negotiations

-1972 election

-North Vietnam’s obstructionism

-December 1972 bombing

-Difficulty of decision

-B-52s

-Adm. Thomas H. Moorer

-Losses

-Laos

-Use of B-52s in December 1972 bombing

-Effects on North Vietnam

-Negotiations

-POW reactions

-Risner, Denton

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-Destructive power

-Safety from bombing

-North Vietnamese reaction

-Civilian targets

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INTELLIGENCE

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Vietnam War

-Use of B-52s in December 1972 bombing

-North Vietnamese reaction

-Hospital

-Press criticism

-Chicago Tribune

-Los Angeles Times

-President’s reasons for bombing

-New York Times

-Senate

-Portrayal of President’s actions

-“Mad bomber”

-Carpet bombing

-Effects on Hanoi

-Stockdale’s knowledge of game theory

-Credibility of threats

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-Cyrus L. (“Cy”) Sulzberger’s column

-Cease-fire agreement

-North Vietnam violations

-Withdrawal of troops

-Laos

-Cambodia

-Infiltration

-South Vietnam’s violations

-Sulzberger’s column

-New York Times

-Michael J. (“Mike”) Mansfield

-Congress

-Pacifism

-Europe

-Cambodia

-Thailand and Vietnam

-Authority for President’s actions

-Congress

-Authority for Vietnam intervention

-Gulf of Tonkin Resolution

-National security

-John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson

-Authority for President’s actions

-1970 Cambodia operation

-Protection of US forces

-Violation of Agreement

-Lack of treaty

-Future

-Possible collapse

-Infiltration by North Vietnam

-Possible offensive

-Nguyen Van Thieu’s visit

-Need for US troops

-Congressional reaction

-Capabilities of South Vietnam

-Possible use of US air power

-Targets

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-Ho Chi Minh Trail

-Quan Tri area

-Possible impeachment of President

-Spiro Agnew

-Public reaction

Peace with honor

-POWs

-Possible trade for US withdrawal

-Thieu’s government

-Viability

-Coalition government

-Communist government

-Military capabilities

-Resumption of hostilities

-Effect on US public opinion

-Possible use of US air power

-B-52s

-Need for provocation

-Thieu

-Effect of South Vietnam’s collapse

-US public opinion

-South Vietnam’s military capabilities

-People’s Republic of China [PRC]

-Battle of An Loc

-Aid to North Vietnam

-US public reaction to torture

-Compliance with Vietnam settlement

-Withdrawal from Laos and Cambodia

-Reduction of infiltration

-Purpose

-Rebuilding

-Influence

-Necessity

-US Public opposition

-President’s foreign policy philosophy

-Incentives

-North Vietnam’s desire for aid

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-Central Committee

-Congressional action

-Request for appropriations

-Stockdale support [?]

-Soviet Union, PRC

-Role in Vietnam settlement

-North Vietnam

-Primitive Communism

-Soviet Union, PRC

-Technical experts

-Surface to air missile [SAM] sites

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POW CAMPS

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Vietnam War

-Stockdale’s experiences

-1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident

-US air operations

-North Vietnamese patrol boats

-Oil refinery

-Stockdale’s role

-August 4 operation

-US press coverage

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-Potential effect of Stockdale’s role on his prison

experience

-Adm. Wesley L. MacDonald

-Western Pacific [WESTPAC]

-North Vietnamese patrol boats

-Lack of sightings

-US destroyers

-Lack of certainty

-Debriefing

-Messages from USS Turner Joy

-Wing commander

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COMMUNICATION CAPABILITIES

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Vietnam War

-Stockdale’s experiences

-1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident

-US air operations

-North Vietnamese patrol boats

-August 4 operation

-Messages from USS Turner Joy

-North Vietnamese patrol boats

-Lack of sightings

-Visit by Assistant Secretary of Defense

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-McDonald

-Verification of patrol boat sightings

-August 5 operation

-Stockdale’s knowledge

-Exploitation by North Vietnamese

-Press coverage

-Life, New York Times

-Cara Weiss

-[unintelligible name]

-Congress, press

-Possible headline

-August 4 operation

-USS Maddox

-North Vietnamese patrol boat

-Lack of sightings

-Potential damage to US

-Antiwar movement

-Stockdale’s knowledge

-Cora Weiss

-Jane Fonda

-W. Ramsey Clark

-North Vietnam propaganda

-Stockdale’s wife

-Strength

-Virulence, bitterness

-President’s 1968 campaign

-Hecklers

-Stockdale’s conversation with unknown man

-Respectable intellectuals

-San Diego

-Stanford University

-Stockdale’s graduate studies

-Political orientation

-Philip H. Rhinelander

-Thomas A. Bailey

-Scholars at colleges and universities

-Conservative political orientation

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-Elite schools

-Stanford University

-Ivy League

-Law schools

-Opposition to war

-President’s meeting with Ivy League presidents

-Cambodia

-May 8, 1972 decision

-Mining and bombing of North Vietnam

-Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI] [?]

-Elite press

-Television [TV] and radio

-Reasonable press

-James S. Copley

-George Randolph Hearst, Jr.

-Scripps-Howard

-Dallas Morning News

-Columbus newspaper

-Southern newspapers

-Leader class

-Downfall of civilizations

-Common people

-Reliability

-Corruption of leaders

-Weakness

-Great Britain

-France

-Germany

-Neo-isolationist view in US

-America First

-World War II

-Patriotism

-Disarmament sentiment

-Trident

-Antiballistic missiles [ABM]

-Troop withdrawals from Europe

-Soviet Union

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-Eastern bloc

-Withdrawal from Asia

-Dismantling of fleet

-Focus on domestic problems

-Responsible class

-Role in World War II

-Japan

-US preparation

-Support of eastern international set

-Role in Korean War

-Invasion by North Korea

-United Nations [UN]

-US role in world affairs

-US burden

-World War I

-World War II

-Korean War

-Vietnam War

-Comparison with Great Britain

-World War I casualties

-Neo-isolationist view

-Intellectuals

-Clergy

-Business community

-Press

-Cambodia

-Cuts in defense budgets

-Spending on ghettos

-Leadership of free world

-Avoidance of fear

-Japan

-Europe

-Soviet Union

-Superpower

-Aggressive intentions

-PRC

-Future superpower

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-Population

-World conquest

-US role in world affairs

-Importance for peace

-US relations with Soviet Union, PRC

-Negotiation, confrontation

-Vietnam settlement

-Avoidance of dishonor, humiliation

-Bugout from South Vietnam

-US public frustration

-Korean War

-Second class power status

-Leader class

-Resolve of American people

-Labor unions

-Farmers

-Small businessmen

-Wall Street

-Support for President

-1972 election

-Press endorments

-Support for George S. McGovern

-Isolationism

-Withdrawal from Vietnam

-McGovern’s shortcomings

-Mistakes

-Competence

-Effects of lack of resolve on lower class, youth

-Education

-Press

-Political speakers

-Peaceniks

-US dedication to peace

-PRC

-Dangers of war

-Colleges and universities

-Strong people

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-Scarcity

-Liberals’ conduct

-Conservatives

-Lack of charisma

-President’s role

-Risner

-College graduates

-Stockdale’s conversation with Art van Dorn of New York Times

-Stockdale’s article

-Stockdale’s son

-Intended audience

-Origins of strength as POW

-Military ethic

-Selflessness

-Reprints

-Stanford University’s Alumni Magazine

-Importance

-Comparison with popular masses

-Baseball games

-Needs

-Religion

-Philosophy

-World affairs

-Leadership vacuum

-Leadership in world affairs

-US, Soviet Union

-Potential dangers

-Communist system

-Soviet Union, PRC

-Viciousness

-Destruction of American values

-Adm. Henry S. Monroe

-Conversation with liberal professor

-Stanford University

-Life in Communist system in US

-Incarceration of liberals

-Military influence

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-Intolerance toward liberals

University education

-Stockdale’s outreach

-Effects on youth

-Stockdale’s son

-Ohio Wesleyan University

-Views on war

-Relationship with Stockdale

-Advisor

-San Diego

-Employment in steel mill

-Plans

-Travel in Europe

-Time off

-Young military officers

-Career pressures

-Speaking engagement at Los Angeles college

-Fonda

-Comparison with fighting Joe Louis

White House Dinner for POWs

-President’s conversations with Denton and Risner

-Defense Department [?]

-Guests

-President’s role

-National Security briefing

-Tour by Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon

-Reception

-Leslie T. (“Bob”) Hope

-Master of ceremonies

-Entertainment

-POW families

-Meetings with Denton, Risner, Gen. John B. Flynn

George Bond

-California Republican

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-Stockdale’s cousin

-Farm near Galesburg, Illinois

-Early aviation

-Knox County

-Bond family

Rose Garden

-Tulips

Stockdale’s visit to Connecticut

Stockdale and Scowcroft left at 4:39 pm.